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Open Thread: Should Dan Maes Withdraw?

by | 3:11 pm, September 2, 2010 | 45 Comments

Honorable friends:
 
What an interesting gubernatorial election this is turning out to be.  The news is filled with endorsements granted and rescinded, calls for candidates to withdraw from the race, and much discussion over the possibility of vacancy committee appointments. Riveting stuff.  Or utterly pointless.  We feel certain one of those two statements is correct.   
 
So far, though, all this talk seems to be coming from a few noteworthy GOP leaders.  However, it was the people of the Republican Party who chose Mr. Maes in the primary election and it will be the people of Colorado who elect the next governor.  Therefore, the PPC board has grown curious as to what the people actually think about all this.  And, as the board stanchly maintains, there is no better sample of ‘the people’ than the readership of PPC.  Thus, we are making this post an open thread to discuss the following:
  •  Do you think Dan Maes should step aside as the Republican nominee for governor?
  • Why or why not?
  • If he did step aside, who do you think the vacancy committee should consider in his stead and why?
 There.  That should firmly settle the matter.  Now then, mint juleps* firmly in hand, we of the board shall settle in to eagerly await, your responses. 
 
The PPC Editorial Board
 
* Yes, we know the mint julep is properly the drink of the Kentucky Derby, but we figured that, since politicians and horses produce much the same substance, the julep might also make political races more pleasant.
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  1.   JD
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 3:36 pm

    I gave Dan’s speech at the Broomfield Caucus. I voted for Dan at the assembly. I voted for Dan in the primary.

    He needs to step down because his embellishments have become far too prevalent and seem to exist in every part of his life. He no longer has a chance to win and should put the state first.

    Much as I was against her in the Senate Primary, Jane seems like the best pick. Her supporters are largely on the sidelines right now and would snap at the chance to keep working for her. She has a recent infrastructure in place and money in the bank.

    I think she may have the best chance to win given current circumstances. I would prefer a non-Ref C supporter, but I think she has the best shot.

  2.   Rich Hand
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 3:50 pm

    Dan was elected by the people in the republican primary which should not be discounted. That being said, I am concerned about the latest revelation regarding the law enforcement position that was removed from the website (if it was, I never saw it).

    I sense a campaign to smear Dan but it also seems that Dan has not made that difficult. I am concerned because little things do mean alot, where there’s fire… I am also concerned about the recinded endorsements.

    I will not vote for Tancredo, he has made his a self centered campaign at a time we need a statesman.

    I would like to see Dan in a forum where all of the issues and problems of his campaign can be discussed in total. If that forum was televised we could make a better judgement to answer your question; should Dan step down?

    I have to say, I am very discouraged that Colorado may not sweep the Senate and Governorship in a climate that couldn’t be any better for conservatives. Time is running out and a decision must be made or the Governorship will be lost.

    I hope we get the information we need to make the right decision…

  3.   Yvette
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 3:53 pm

    * Do you think Dan Maes should step aside as the Republican nominee for governor?
    A)NO
    * Why or why not?
    A)known trouble makers in the GOP are taking little things and making mountians out of mohills. Everything is out of proportion.
    * If he did step aside, who do you think the vacancy committee should consider in his stead and why?
    A) N/A

  4.   Bill Witten
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 3:54 pm

    I agree with JD. I am a Tancredo supporter but only because I couldn’t look at either Maes or McInnis without thinking “crook”–and yes, I was saying this when it was so unpopular it got me banned from redstate.com. I wish the Republicans had put forward a real conservative, without the stigma of McCain, but I am willing to support Jane Norton.

  5.   Heidi
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:00 pm

    Resign.. It’s all about TRUTH!!! I’d endorse a Jane candidate.

  6.   1854 GOP
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:02 pm

    If I was Dan, I would first apologize to the State for my mistakes, thank my supporters, and promptly withdraw. I would leave with the words that my candidacy was never about Dan Maes. The campaign was about taking a stance and speaking out for everyday Coloradans who are struggling to find a voice. Unfortunately, my mistakes have interfered with this goal and the State of Colorado will have a brighter future because of those of you that have found your voice through my campaign. Thank you.

  7.   Mary
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:36 pm

    Dan Maes should drop out. Lie about little things, lie about big things. If we really want to change the character of our government we don’t elect a guy willing to lie to get into office, just because he’s an “outsider”. It’s not enough for me.

  8.   Michelle
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:48 pm

    No. If he steps down, who do we have? Norton? There’s no way I’m voting for Norton. What a waste of our all energies. I’m getting sick of the revolving door of candidates. Tancredo isn’t go to step down. He’s raised more than $200k. So the vote will be split if it’s Hick, Norton, and Tanc.

  9.   GC
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:58 pm

    Not only is Mr. Maes willing to embellish or outright lie about past incidents and experience, but he is ABSOLUTELY unelectable.
    Please, Mr. Maes, I care about Colorado and its citizens. I would hope you do, too. Please do the honorable thing and withdraw allowing a more experienced and trusted candidate competently compete against Mayor Hickenlooper, aka Ritter. I would gladly support Jane Norton, Bob Beauprez, or Wayne Allard. I agree with JD about Jane’s qualifications and edge.

  10.   Wilkes
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 5:06 pm

    Maes should get out. His weird behaivior and resume embellishments make him unelectable (this ain’t Detroit, Chicago or DC). I still have lingering resentments at the Norton camp, she is still the insider lobbyist party hack that she was last month. Would she “stand up” for Colorado against federal intrusion? More than the othe guy I guess?

  11.   Nikki
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 6:29 pm

    Dan should go. Look at all the angst and anguish that this causing us all. Just when we should be focusing all our time and energy on all of our great candidates and all of the opportunities that we have before us, everyone is embroiled in this impossible situation. Our candidates that are working so hard deserve better than this. Dan Maes needs to recognize that this election isn’t just about him, be gracious, and step aside for the good of the rest of the ticket.

  12.   call sign viper
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 7:47 pm

    Dan needs to leave to spare himself further embarrassment. Clearly he needs to get his personal finances in order. He needs to think of his children and what the embarrassment they are going to endure because of him.
    Time to leave gracefully.

  13.   T.L. James
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 8:00 pm

    Rebel, I deleted your (identical) comments here and on the other thread because I don’t approve of your repeated use of that offensive term to describe Jane Norton. If you persist in using it, I will ban you from commenting on PPC.

  14.   Ben
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 8:35 pm

    Looks like it’s nearly unanimous on what Dan needs to do. Where in the world he thinks his support is going to come from to get anywhere NEAR the plurality necessary to win this race… it’s beyond me. The self-exalting exercise has to end. All those that left comments on this thread should also share the same sentiments with him in a message to Dan@DanMaes.com.

  15.   NancyR
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 9:31 pm

    We wanted someone who was one of us and now we beat Dan over the head for being one of us. No one is perfect and while we all aspire to live by principles and values we have all had moments of straying from our convictions. We are human.

    Does anyone have any idea how much COURAGE, CONVICTION & THICK SKIN it takes to do what Dan Maes has done? How many of us would submit to not one anal probe but multiple anal probes????

    What happens on Wed Sept. 8th when the ballots are printed and Dan Maes is the guy? Are you going to stay home and not vote? If you don’t vote then how can you claim to be more principled than Dan who at least took not just arrows but sniper hits from his own “team”?

    All of this time and energy should be focused on Hickenlooper and his far left Van Jones loving ideology but instead we are attacking the candidate WE voted for.

    I admit I have had my own moments of doubt regardind Dan’s campaign but I have NEVER had doubts about Dan’s values or principles.

    The big $$ guys are not willing to donate to a guy they can’t ‘buy off”, the GOP is not willing to support a guy who won’t play politics and somehow this is bad? This is a character flaw?

    Standing on Principle sometimes means standing alone which for those who backs are turned & who are running for the hills are unable to see Dan still standing & ready to fight for all of us.

  16.   Mark
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 9:37 pm

    I think Dan Maes should step down. There has been 2 much dubious statements about his pass. If the republican party was smart they would not pick a replacement candidate and endorse Tom Tancredo

  17.   Val
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 9:43 pm

    I see treachery.

    I was perplexed when all of the establishment Republicans quickly jumped on the Dan Maes bandwagon. Now, as they all quickly jump off, I understand what’s happening. It’s a bunch of bobbleheads all in a row.

    This is identical to what Bill Owens & Company did to Bob Schaffer two years ago. The story and characters never change.

    And the Norton/Penry/Owens groupies wait in the wings.

  18.   bubba
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 10:08 pm

    NancyR:

    Courage, conviction, and thick skin?

    To (as alleged by former supporters) pay himself a salary using mileage as a basis for those payments?

    To “sell” an 80 year old supporter to give him cash to help pay his mortgage?

    To portray himself as a businessman when he stole his former bosses client list, and then barely makes more than the federal poverty level?

    To indulge his fantasies of being an undercover cop who got “too close” to elites in Liberal, Kansas, only to blame a media conspiracy when he himself said the statement on his website was not accurate?

    That’s courage and conviction I can do without, frankly.

    That is someone who, as governor, will exaggerate and exaggerate to his own party and to the press, to the detriment of moving politics rightward in Colorado.

    I’m tempted to believe that a Hickenlooper governorship would be more helpful to the rightward movement in Colorado than would be the sideshow, Blaggo-esque, vanity trip of a Dan Maes governorship.

  19.   Brian Wilson
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 10:10 pm

    Yes, Dan should withdraw. But, he should hold Tancredo to his promise to withdraw when Dan does. Tancredo isn’t any better of a candidate than Maes. This is a painful situation for those of us who supported Dan through the primaries and beyond; let me explain my reasoning to those who are still holding on to Maes:

    No, Maes hasn’t done anything that bad, but he has embellished the details on the little things. He is, after all a salesman. While this, in and of itself, could be forgiven in the larger pursuit of the conservative cause, it has become clear that he no longer has the full support of the Tea Party and 9/12 groups. As they withdraw their endorsements, Maes loses all support except for the few of us who know him personally. Even just due to the events of today, Maes is so damaged as a candidate that there is no way he could win back a majority of votes. This is not personal, we all know, love, and respect Dan for what he has accomplished; he’s just not the right person to be our standard bearer anymore. Furthermore, I don’t even think he has a campaign infrastructure (campaign manager, etc.) in place due to lack of funds. We did what we could, but it has become clear that despite our best efforts we’ve fallen short. It’s time to throw in the towel.

  20.   Ben
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 10:19 pm

    The best way Dan now can fight for all of us is to get out of the race. Either you believe in a grand conspiracy that involves a highly unlikely cast of characters, or you believe that Dan has botched this one himself. Principle over party over person.

    There is NO clear path to conservative victory in the governor’s race. We cannot insult the intelligence of voters. And if the trend continues, we live with the threat that Maes brings down other races, too. A multitude of counselors have advised the candidate to take the honorable approach and bow out. One must hope against hope that he does the wise thing.

    “The establishment” owns its share of the blame for getting us into this mess, but blindly clinging to Maes as a way to “stick it to the man” doesn’t help the cause.

  21.   bubba
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 10:27 pm

    Dan never had a campaign manager because “repaying” himself mileage was more important. He had other volunteer campaign managers who realized he had a “touch” of narcissism, and they ran away as fast as they could.

    Personally, it made me sick to do it, but I voted McInnis because I knew this “bimbo-eruption” was going to happen sometime, and I just figured Scott had more loyalty to the overall cause than Dan did, and would be honorable enough to drop out after winning the primary.

    We’ll never know about Scott, but now we know about Dan.

  22.   Mike
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 11:13 pm

    He should drop. He is even more damaged than Mcginnis was. He should take Tancredo’s offer and bow out now. His future prospects become worse everyday. If he had dropped last week he could have kept some dignity and maybe made a comeback into the Colorado assembly or some other post. This week that would be doubtful. With each new revelation his hole gets deeper and deeper and harder to get out of. He needs to quit for Colorado, the Republican Party and for his family.

  23.   John A
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 11:13 pm

    As much as it pains me to say so after supporting him through the caucus and primary processes, it appears Dan should go. However, and like many others, I’d prefer someone else to Jane. Although its late in the game, is there any chance Bob Schaffer would consider? He’s capable, a great guy and certainly has the right principles and name recognition, and he could be a uniter…? Bob could be an excellent governor…

  24.   912 groupie
      September 2nd, 2010 @ 11:40 pm

    Dan should stay in the race and let the process play out. He won the primary fair and square. His supporters seem not to really care about Dan personally. They just want to be on the winning team. Dan is a everyday man who painted himself into a corner trying to navigate the waters of the election process. First I was for him, but now that it isn’t cool I am against him.

  25.   Dumbfounded
      September 3rd, 2010 @ 12:47 am

    No way should he withdraw. We cannot allow a candidate to be manipulated by powerful operatives who seemingly planned or made swift use of this type of scenario. And yes I do believe something is up with the GOP past and present politicians. Just as a puzzle’s picture cannot be readily be understood before completion without the picture on the box… I think this situation is highly unusual and the puzzle pieces are not fitting right. This call for Dan Maes to withdraw from the race seems orchestrated and a little too obvious.

    Ron Michel (you all know him) witnessed a possible lie by Poundstone. Ron’s willing to take a polygraph… although polygraphs don’t detect lies. Good for him anyway.

    If you pick apart this apparent smear of Maes you’ll find yourselves to be feeling very foolish for having been conned not by Dan Maes but by __________? Start with Tancredo and go from there.

  26.   NancyR
      September 3rd, 2010 @ 6:36 am

    Freda Poundstone has an axe to grind w/Dan & has made many accusations w/o backup.

    Dan has not lost the support of 912 leaders and groups. Dan willingly met w/912 leaders to hear their concerns & answer their questions. He cancelled several appts to do so because he cares about those who support him & is THANKFUL for the support. Most GOP candidates just see as a pool of voters & after the election will try to ignore us.

    The liberal ks story is true & the petty nitpicking of Dan and his life is beyond ridiculus. All of the anal probing has yet to find anything this is really truly a scandal but yet we are supposed to throw him under the bus?

    the ballots are going to be printed w/Dan’s name & so again are you going to vote for Hick who will NEVER give a damn about what we say or Dan who cannot be manipulated & who will listen to us?

  27.   Whitney
      September 3rd, 2010 @ 1:41 pm

    At first glance, it looks like Maes should drop out. BUT, then when you analyze it, the old GOP still doesn’t want him on the ballot. From a very good source, Sarah Palin had all this kind of “stuff” happen to her when she was running for Governor. HAVE YOU HEARD THIS? An AP reporter went to Kansas to investigate and Dan was telling the truth about his work there. All of these people who believe the Denver Post should check the source to see if it’s the truth or not. So, the GOP wants to run Beauprez against Hickenlooper? Oh, please, I like Beauprez, but he couldn’t beat Hick. Dan Maes is still strong in the polls….much stronger than Tancredo, but the bottom line, he represents us, the people, and he’s just not “one of them.” I say, my vote’s on Dan. Now, if the GOP would just get behind him, rather than against him, he can and will beat Hickenlooper.

  28.   T.L. James
      September 3rd, 2010 @ 2:13 pm

    You can’t fight the tide, Whitney, and the tide has most definitely turned against Dan.

  29.   Janet
      September 3rd, 2010 @ 2:44 pm

    I blame the COGOP for this mess. They were the ones who shoved McInnis on us, forcing all, except Maes, out. Now, I don’t see how Hickenlooper doesn’t win, regardless of what Maes does or doesn’t do. I don’t trust the COGOP. To select someone new at this late date, after 2 disastrous candidates they didn’t make sure had no skeletons, I don’t see how that will translate into votes. What I have a problem with, is what exactly is the truth regarding Maes? I don’t trust the Post. But I haven’t heard anything concrete to dispute the Post’s claims, either. Logically, I would say Maes is doomed. He has no $ and with so many dropping their endorsements, how does he raise any? Without $, how does he combat the Post and opponents’ ads? I don’t like the seeming ‘set up’, if that is what has come to pass. If that is how this latest came about, it stinks. But, reality should be faced.

  30.   Laura Victoria
      September 3rd, 2010 @ 2:45 pm

    Hick has enough vulnerabilities that a good, solid semi-funded candidate can beat him. We are at the last gasp of having such a candidate.

    Norton would be the best pick, but there are others too. This is not an issue over Maes as a “deserving” guy. This is not about him, it is about getting a conservative win over Hick and not damaging the rest of the ticket. It is that simple at this point.

  31.   T.L. James
      September 3rd, 2010 @ 2:48 pm

    I think you have some valid points, Janet. If Maes does drop out, ColoGOP needs to bring the grassroots into the fold on the vacancy nomination — maybe they don’t get a vote (since it has to be conducted under existing party rules governing vacancies), but the process needs to be inclusive and transparent to the people who supported Maes (whether on his own merits or as a protest to McInnis) if the same discord is to be avoided with the replacement.

  32.   Brian Wilson
      September 3rd, 2010 @ 5:20 pm

    The vacancy committee was elected at the assembly I believe. It’s not like it’s completely made up of party elites.

  33.   T.L. James
      September 3rd, 2010 @ 8:50 pm

    Sure, Brian. I’m only saying that whatever the makeup of the vacancy committee, they would be wise to embrace the grassroots groups, seek their input, and sincerely make them feel included in and invested in the ultimate selection.

    Of course, it appears to be a moot point now.

  34.   robert southwell
      September 3rd, 2010 @ 10:13 pm

    Early in the primary season I described Maes as a financial services guy who struck out on his own, failed badly, and then decided to go for a government bailout, AKA government job.

    Since then my opinion has changed.

    Now I think he’s the sort of innocent, well-intentioned simpleton who looked at politicians he disapproved of and thought, “How hard can that be?”

    Well, now he knows how hard that can be. His tuition has been the credibility of the state GOP and the various Tea Party groups who lavished such praise on him. Instead of fulfilling the aspirations of his backers he has done the opposite and virtually guaranteed the election of Hickenlooper as the Governor who will preside over redistricting Colorado in compliance with the 2010 census.

    Good move, Dan. You’ll surely be mentioned in the history books, but more as a sour footnote than a featured profile. By all means, stay in the race. You couldn’t possibly do any more damage.

    One positive outcome is still in the offing: maybe at last the execrable Dick Wadhams will finally be booted out of his chairmanship. He hasn’t won a race in six years and his handling of the Colorado Governor’s race has been dangerously inept. Time to say good night, Dick.

  35.   AS
      September 3rd, 2010 @ 11:40 pm

    Just for the record, Wadhams had stated that a vacancy committee would be open to the press, and possibly even the general public, and was encouraging a recorded vote so that everyone could have seen who each committee member voted for.

  36.   Keith
      September 4th, 2010 @ 12:12 pm

    One of the most important issues here, IMO, is that people are separating over this.

    Some of us may disagree on Mr. Maes.
    #1 we should be able to disagree, we are not cardboard cut outs and identical one to the other.

    #2 we all agree on the majority of issues and candidates, lets make damn sure we all continue on working together where we do agree, where we can work together.

    No matter who you support, there is no need for people to be tearing each other down.

    Unity where we agree, grace where we do not.

    Kumbaya :)

    Seriously, we are strong together and stronger than the Left.
    Apart from each other, we lose.

  37.   Dumbfounded
      September 4th, 2010 @ 9:59 pm

    It wouldn’t hurt to give help and finances to Maes. Tancredo is doing way worse and he will stay that way. Even if Tancredo were to rise a bit in the polls he still would split the vote. So like it or not we have Maes as our candidate to support.

    Maes finances are not that bad. I heard him this morning on KVOR’s Jeff Crank Show and he said he was well over 200,000 dollars. [exact amount unknown by me]

    I say we support Maes and go after Hickenlooper to pull his numbers down and make it easier for Maes to give it a shot. That should unite everyone.

  38.   Steve
      September 5th, 2010 @ 9:10 am

    It is now the day after the day in which ballots had to be certified. We have Dan Maes’ name on the ballot and that cannot be changed. What can we do now? He is no doubt staying in the race and our only choice is to either vote for Tom Tancredo like he is the Republican candidate, back Dan anyway, or lose to Hickenloper. As interesting as last week turned out to be, this week could in fact be even more interesting. Dan will no doubt try to convince us all that he is in fact fit to lead and these revelations are true but not death nails in his chances. I would love to no what other Republican’s think we should do now.

  39.   Peter Boddie
      September 6th, 2010 @ 2:37 am

    Dan should stay in. And I support his candidacy.

    I respect the sacrifice he and his family have made to run for governor. I’m sure it has not been easy.

    He won the top spot on the primary ballot and the primary election through hard work and sacrifice, and by traveling to every corner of this state to speak to voters. He won despite a lack of funding and party establishment support. He won by determination, strength of character, and the power of his conservative vision for Colorado. And he won by getting more votes than the other candidates – which is how I thought this process was supposed to work.

    If the GOP leadership is not happy with Maes, they have themselves to blame – for backroom decisions in which they anointed a flawed candidate like McGinnis. The delegates and the voters had a different opinion.

    When people attack Dan Maes for, what I perceive to be minor faults in the world of politics, they also damage this democratic process. If you want good men and women to run for office – you don’t trash them for that effort.

    The GOP leadership, and all the others who are so quick to dump on Dan Maes, need to consider how that looks to the many newly enthused GOP voters, volunteers, and Tea Party activists, who in many cases are participating for the first time in the political process.

    We got involved, donated our time, and followed through, just as we were encouraged to do. I thought the GOP wanted our participation. When you dis Dan, you dis us.

    Instead of criticizing Maes for his lack of political experience and fundraising abilities, and yes, his occasional gaffs, the GOP leadership should lend some expertise and raise some money. What a concept!

    What many perceive as weaknesses, may in fact be considered strengths by the voters. (Remember the voters?)

    He is new to politics – a decided advantage in this “throw the bums out” climate.

    He can run a successful campaign on a shoestring – experience that is mighty handy when tackling the State budget woes.

    He can tap into grassroots support from all parts of Colorado – unlike his main opponent, who hails mostly from Denver.

    He is polling ahead of Tancrado – someone who is definitely not electable as governor because of his past history.

    And, Dan is a conservative in a year when that is considered an asset by the majority of voters.

    I encourage everyone to cut the trash talk and lend Dan Maes the support he needs to run a competitive campaign for governor.

    We, the newly enthused supporters of GOP candidates are watching. As the Democrats are starting to realize – ignoring and dissing the voters is not a strategy for success.

    Peter Boddie
    Littleton

  40.   NancyR
      September 6th, 2010 @ 9:22 am

    Well said Peter!!

    It is time to unite and to stop the bickering. If you wish to preserve our freedom and liberty then you must know that Hickenlooper cannot be allowed to be governor.

    Tancredo in a statewide general election will not appeal to enough independents & traditional dems to win regardless of his career in congress which that is not a plus in this environment right now.

    Maes has stood up to the political class and that appeals across the board to all citizens. David vs Goliath – Dan vs party machine – Americans love this kind of battle!

    Regardless of what the GOP and Tancredo say there are only 2 real choices: Maes or Hickenlooper. I’m sticking with Dan

  41.   Whitney
      September 6th, 2010 @ 2:49 pm

    Good Job, Peter Boddie! How correct, in my opinion, you are!

    Me too, I’m staying with Maes. He won the Primary with a shoestring budget….that’s what the whole state of Colorado needs…..fiscal conservatism. He owes no one. Our biggest obstacles are the old Republicans….our horrible “leader” Wadhams. Let’s get rid of him, and put Dan in the governor’s office! We can really do that, for Dan is not that far behind Hick in the polls. He’s much better in the polls than TT, who…check him on on Wikipedia. Real solid guy. By, Tom, you’re a career politician….we don’t want / need you any more.

  42.   GAS
      September 6th, 2010 @ 3:24 pm

    @Ben ““The establishment” owns its share of the blame for getting us into this mess, but blindly clinging to Maes as a way to “stick it to the man” doesn’t help the cause.”

    You’ve been around the political class too long, Ben. Your quotation marks give away the fact that you don’t really believe the elites are wrong.

  43.   Brian Wilson
      September 6th, 2010 @ 8:05 pm

    Peter Boddie – the Joe the Plumber of the Senate race. You rock man! Great comment. We don’t need the establishment to win. The political class always gets blinders on when it comes to elections. They live in a bubble, one which I hope to avoid.

  44.   Bud Garner
      September 10th, 2010 @ 9:14 pm

    I will try to keep this short and this is a summary of opinion from Georgia, Debbie, Jim, Brad (Durango), Wendy (Bayfield), and Michelle (Durango).

    First, Dan addressed the Liberal, KS police story, which has been portrayed as an embellishment of his record. He laid out every detail of his involvement in being an informal informant for the Kansas Bureau of Investigation. This was neither an official undercover operation nor a sting, hence there are no records to check. (This is consistent according to a local police officer who has run both). Dan explained that his mistake was in using the term ‘undercover’ when he thought, as a rookie cop, that he was asked to be ‘undercover’ for the KBI. since he already had access to the subjects KBI was interested in. His information did lead to raids and arrests but he did not follow the case further since he had already been fired for stepping on the toes of the Liberal, KS police department and a very well connected family. Jim asked for corroboration and Dan said the AP is working on this and it should be independently verified next week. If not, he will release a similar statement with names of those involved.

    Second, third, and fourth he addressed the issues raised by Tancredo about his pro-life stance, the 2nd amendment, and illegal immigration. In each case, the latest Tancredo email is not true. Dan held to the same position he expressed to us back in Feb. None of us noticed even a hint of difference. To reiterate–Dan is pro-life, pro 2nd amendment, and for border control and against amnesty.

    Lastly, he addressed the issue of campaign finance fines. Most of the errors were clerical in nature and the size of the fines was an indication of the complexity of the law rather than severity of the error. (Agreed to by J. Paul Brown) THERE WAS NO SCANDAL NOR FRAUD AS HAS BEEN REPORTED. This was even admitted by the complainants. And Dan said that all campaigns, even those with professional staff, have violated the law and paid fines.

    None of us from Cortez, about a dozen, saw any reason whatsoever to change our support. The candidate we, as individuals, supported throughout the campaign and through the State assembly is still worthy of our vote. For those who worked for and supported Mr. McInnis, well done in your equal passion. Mr. Meas is now the Republican candidate for Governor. Failure to support Dan, ie, supporting Tancredo, WILL result in Hickenlooper being Governor. If you liked Ritter, you will love that result. We in the grassroots movement should not let our contrariness (mine especially) cause us to support a man (Tancredo) who is equally contrary and exceedingly egotistical, who did not want to play by the rules, who has a personal hatred for the candidate (Maes), and has violated the very things he told us to hold to.

    Should you have any further questions, call me at 565-8595

    Bud

  45.   Alix
      September 13th, 2010 @ 9:36 am

    I hate to break it to Dan’s supporters, but while he may have “dealt” with his issues in your eyes, it’s not jut your perception that matters. How Dan comes off to the state as a whole is what matters, and the bulk of the state has not seen is dorky youtube video, and many of those who have were left with more questions than before. Sorry, but in the business perception is everything and Dan os percieved as a joke.

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