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	<title>Comments on: Time to Denounce Taxpayers for Liberty: Sleazy Tactics &amp; Shadowy Group</title>
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		<title>By: Keith Olson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Olson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donald Johnson is the one with no integrity. He portrays himself as unbiased but betrays himself with each sequential post. He cannot pull off his deceit due to his overwhelming urge to attack Buck to enhance Norton&#039;s chances. Read each of his sequential comments. By the end he has already tried and convicted Buck. Do not be fooled by Johnson&#039;s claim of being impartial. 

Donald said: For me, there is guilt by association. If Buck doesn’t come out and say he thinks the campaign is distorting Norton’s record

Donald said:    That Buck and Taxpayers for Liberty are showing a lack of intellectual integrity in their attacks on NORTON strongly suggests that they will show little political integrity during the campaign.

Seems Donald&#039;s slip is showing! Indicting Buck without any evidence Buck did anything wrong. 

Donald you were long ago marginalized by your bias. 

Why would Ken Buck who has spent all this time establishing himself as the legitimate candidate allow and one person or organization to threaten his campaign?  Ben you have always been fair but in this instance you are walking the edge when you lay blame at Ken Buck&#039;s feet.
This group obviously is engaged in a campaign against Jane Norton.  Would it be possible that the group is funded by liberal monies? If it were a liberal organization have they not struck two GOP targets with one blow?  I have not seen any of the mailings or ads (perhaps they are not targeting no.colo.) to get a feel for what all the attention is about. One thing I do know is Ken Buck has worked too hard to be attacked from within by innuendos. I understand what motivates a Donald Johnson but I certainly appeal to your sense of fairplay in this regard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donald Johnson is the one with no integrity. He portrays himself as unbiased but betrays himself with each sequential post. He cannot pull off his deceit due to his overwhelming urge to attack Buck to enhance Norton&#8217;s chances. Read each of his sequential comments. By the end he has already tried and convicted Buck. Do not be fooled by Johnson&#8217;s claim of being impartial. </p>
<p>Donald said: For me, there is guilt by association. If Buck doesn’t come out and say he thinks the campaign is distorting Norton’s record</p>
<p>Donald said:    That Buck and Taxpayers for Liberty are showing a lack of intellectual integrity in their attacks on NORTON strongly suggests that they will show little political integrity during the campaign.</p>
<p>Seems Donald&#8217;s slip is showing! Indicting Buck without any evidence Buck did anything wrong. </p>
<p>Donald you were long ago marginalized by your bias. </p>
<p>Why would Ken Buck who has spent all this time establishing himself as the legitimate candidate allow and one person or organization to threaten his campaign?  Ben you have always been fair but in this instance you are walking the edge when you lay blame at Ken Buck&#8217;s feet.<br />
This group obviously is engaged in a campaign against Jane Norton.  Would it be possible that the group is funded by liberal monies? If it were a liberal organization have they not struck two GOP targets with one blow?  I have not seen any of the mailings or ads (perhaps they are not targeting no.colo.) to get a feel for what all the attention is about. One thing I do know is Ken Buck has worked too hard to be attacked from within by innuendos. I understand what motivates a Donald Johnson but I certainly appeal to your sense of fairplay in this regard.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Maj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Maj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donald, did you check the GOP SOP to pull out that &quot;if they are as angry at politics as usual as they say they are&quot; line of garbage?

iLoveTea, I believe that the members of the Tea Party organizations, 912 project groups, and Campaign for Liberty are much closer, ideologically, than progressive statists like Donald, who occupy the neo-conservative, big government wing of the GOP.  So it makes sense for Donald to call &lt;i&gt;off with their heads&lt;/i&gt; at any sign of organized insubordination amongst the grass roots of the party.  They want your vote, and maybe some of your money, but not your ideas or ideals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donald, did you check the GOP SOP to pull out that &#8220;if they are as angry at politics as usual as they say they are&#8221; line of garbage?</p>
<p>iLoveTea, I believe that the members of the Tea Party organizations, 912 project groups, and Campaign for Liberty are much closer, ideologically, than progressive statists like Donald, who occupy the neo-conservative, big government wing of the GOP.  So it makes sense for Donald to call <i>off with their heads</i> at any sign of organized insubordination amongst the grass roots of the party.  They want your vote, and maybe some of your money, but not your ideas or ideals.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction:
ILTea,
Tea Party and 9.12 groups should get involved because they are calling for fiscal and political integrity. That Buck and Taxpayers for Liberty are showing a lack of intellectual integrity in their attacks on NORTON strongly suggests that they will show little political integrity during the campaign. If the Tea Party and 9.12 groups are as focused on integrity as they say they are, if they are as angry at politics as usual as they say they are, they must denounce Taxpayers for Liberty and its tactics or lose their credibility, imho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction:<br />
ILTea,<br />
Tea Party and 9.12 groups should get involved because they are calling for fiscal and political integrity. That Buck and Taxpayers for Liberty are showing a lack of intellectual integrity in their attacks on NORTON strongly suggests that they will show little political integrity during the campaign. If the Tea Party and 9.12 groups are as focused on integrity as they say they are, if they are as angry at politics as usual as they say they are, they must denounce Taxpayers for Liberty and its tactics or lose their credibility, imho.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Johnson</title>
		<link>http://bendegrow.com/2010/time-to-denounce-taxpayers-for-liberty-sleazy-tactics-shadowy-group/comment-page-1/#comment-12123</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ILTea,
Tea Party and 9.12 groups should get involved because they are calling for fiscal and political integrity. That Buck and Taxpayers for Liberty are showing a lack of intellectual integrity in their attacks on Buck strongly suggests that they will show little political integrity during the campaign. If the Tea Party and 9.12 groups are as focused on integrity as they say they are, if they are as angry at politics as usual as they say they are, they must denounce Taxpayers for Liberty or lose their credibility, imho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ILTea,<br />
Tea Party and 9.12 groups should get involved because they are calling for fiscal and political integrity. That Buck and Taxpayers for Liberty are showing a lack of intellectual integrity in their attacks on Buck strongly suggests that they will show little political integrity during the campaign. If the Tea Party and 9.12 groups are as focused on integrity as they say they are, if they are as angry at politics as usual as they say they are, they must denounce Taxpayers for Liberty or lose their credibility, imho.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Maj</title>
		<link>http://bendegrow.com/2010/time-to-denounce-taxpayers-for-liberty-sleazy-tactics-shadowy-group/comment-page-1/#comment-12122</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Maj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, was the letter you reprinted from the Norton campaign the first attempt at getting Jane to answer the Campaign For Liberty survey?  Or is it more likely that her campaign&#039;s limited grass roots network failed to identify this issue as important enough to merit outreach to C4L members?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, was the letter you reprinted from the Norton campaign the first attempt at getting Jane to answer the Campaign For Liberty survey?  Or is it more likely that her campaign&#8217;s limited grass roots network failed to identify this issue as important enough to merit outreach to C4L members?</p>
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		<title>By: iLoveTea</title>
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		<dc:creator>iLoveTea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does the Tea Party have to do with any of this? Why should they denounce it? I feel the Tea Party or 912 organizations making a deal out of this only ties them to something they have nothing to do with. Please explain the connection? Should we denounce any sleazy tactic from her til November even if we have nothing to do with it? I say ignore it, let Ken Buck deal with it, but the Tea Parties shouldn’t stick their noses where they are not involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does the Tea Party have to do with any of this? Why should they denounce it? I feel the Tea Party or 912 organizations making a deal out of this only ties them to something they have nothing to do with. Please explain the connection? Should we denounce any sleazy tactic from her til November even if we have nothing to do with it? I say ignore it, let Ken Buck deal with it, but the Tea Parties shouldn’t stick their noses where they are not involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No attempt on my part to smear Campaign for Liberty ... I don&#039;t agree with all its positions, but I do support a stronger application of the 10th Amendment and auditing the Federal Reserve. I still don&#039;t appreciate you impugning my motives.

Yes, it&#039;s a problem that Jane Norton won&#039;t respond to the survey. It&#039;s also a problem to attack somebody for not returning a survey before they were sent it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No attempt on my part to smear Campaign for Liberty &#8230; I don&#8217;t agree with all its positions, but I do support a stronger application of the 10th Amendment and auditing the Federal Reserve. I still don&#8217;t appreciate you impugning my motives.</p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s a problem that Jane Norton won&#8217;t respond to the survey. It&#8217;s also a problem to attack somebody for not returning a survey before they were sent it.</p>
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		<title>By: elpresidente</title>
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		<dc:creator>elpresidente</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drop the &quot;neocon&quot; garbage Chris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drop the &#8220;neocon&#8221; garbage Chris.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Maj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Maj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, in your OP, you bemoan the lack of &quot;needed transparency in our campaign finance laws,&quot; but counter in your comment @ 1:00pm that this isn&#039;t &quot;a call for government regulation of campaign activity.&quot;  Are you suggesting that laws created by the government are not a form of government regulation?  Or do you support the practical nullification by the states and the people of all federal laws regarding speech because they are &lt;i&gt;not delegated by the Constitution, are not law, but are altogether void, and of no force&lt;/i&gt;?  (To echo the &quot;Principles of &#039;98&quot; as first anonymously penned by Thomas Jefferson in The Kentucky Resolutions of 1798.)

Donald, I don&#039;t think your private religious affiliation is any of my concern, but claiming you are &quot;a small government, libertarian conservative in all respects&quot; while -- in other threads within the past week on the PPC -- supporting anti-liberty, big government programs like the War on Drugs and War on Iran, well, it leaves me doubting any deviance from mainstream neo-con political ideology.

Ken Buck&#039;s support amongst many Colorado Campaign For Liberty members is well-known because of his call for an auditing of the Federal Reserve.  This C4L support is in large part the result of an extremely effective grass roots outreach effort by the Buck campaign -- which heightened after the departure from the Senate primary of Austrian economist, and now HD-61 candidate, Luke Korkowski.

In November, Buck called on Senator Bennett to co-sponsor S.604, the Federal Reserve Sunshine Act, and posted a press release about it on his campaign website:

https://www.buckforcolorado.com/pressclips102k9.php

In January, Buck answered The Question correctly again in the C4L candidate survey. If you take a look at the results of the surveys, then you&#039;ll note there&#039;s still no response from the Norton campaign:

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/candidatesurvey.php

Good show, though, Ben and Donald, to attempt a smear of the Campaign For Liberty!  If it wasn&#039;t one of the more organized groups fighting the establishment Republican party takeover of the Tea Party movement -- especially in Colorado -- then some might actually take offense.  A dangerous thing when economic and personal liberties are brought together again under the same tent!

&lt;b&gt;NOTE: Chris Maj is a member of the Campaign For Liberty.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, in your OP, you bemoan the lack of &#8220;needed transparency in our campaign finance laws,&#8221; but counter in your comment @ 1:00pm that this isn&#8217;t &#8220;a call for government regulation of campaign activity.&#8221;  Are you suggesting that laws created by the government are not a form of government regulation?  Or do you support the practical nullification by the states and the people of all federal laws regarding speech because they are <i>not delegated by the Constitution, are not law, but are altogether void, and of no force</i>?  (To echo the &#8220;Principles of &#8217;98&#8243; as first anonymously penned by Thomas Jefferson in The Kentucky Resolutions of 1798.)</p>
<p>Donald, I don&#8217;t think your private religious affiliation is any of my concern, but claiming you are &#8220;a small government, libertarian conservative in all respects&#8221; while &#8212; in other threads within the past week on the PPC &#8212; supporting anti-liberty, big government programs like the War on Drugs and War on Iran, well, it leaves me doubting any deviance from mainstream neo-con political ideology.</p>
<p>Ken Buck&#8217;s support amongst many Colorado Campaign For Liberty members is well-known because of his call for an auditing of the Federal Reserve.  This C4L support is in large part the result of an extremely effective grass roots outreach effort by the Buck campaign &#8212; which heightened after the departure from the Senate primary of Austrian economist, and now HD-61 candidate, Luke Korkowski.</p>
<p>In November, Buck called on Senator Bennett to co-sponsor S.604, the Federal Reserve Sunshine Act, and posted a press release about it on his campaign website:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.buckforcolorado.com/pressclips102k9.php" onclick="return TrackClick('https%3A%2F%2Fwww.buckforcolorado.com%2Fpressclips102k9.php','https%3A%2F%2Fwww.buckforcolorado.com%2Fpressclips102k9.php')" rel="nofollow">https://www.buckforcolorado.com/pressclips102k9.php</a></p>
<p>In January, Buck answered The Question correctly again in the C4L candidate survey. If you take a look at the results of the surveys, then you&#8217;ll note there&#8217;s still no response from the Norton campaign:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.campaignforliberty.com/candidatesurvey.php" onclick="return TrackClick('http%3A%2F%2Fwww.campaignforliberty.com%2Fcandidatesurvey.php','http%3A%2F%2Fwww.campaignforliberty.com%2Fcandidatesurvey.php')" rel="nofollow">http://www.campaignforliberty.com/candidatesurvey.php</a></p>
<p>Good show, though, Ben and Donald, to attempt a smear of the Campaign For Liberty!  If it wasn&#8217;t one of the more organized groups fighting the establishment Republican party takeover of the Tea Party movement &#8212; especially in Colorado &#8212; then some might actually take offense.  A dangerous thing when economic and personal liberties are brought together again under the same tent!</p>
<p><b>NOTE: Chris Maj is a member of the Campaign For Liberty.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also worth noting ... The Lefties are taking the lead on insisting this is no big deal:
http://www.coloradopols.com/diary/11851/shocker-attack-groups-play-dirty

FYI, no, I&#039;m not &quot;shocked, shocked&quot; by the TFL-type activity. I&#039;m just sick of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also worth noting &#8230; The Lefties are taking the lead on insisting this is no big deal:<br />
<a href="http://www.coloradopols.com/diary/11851/shocker-attack-groups-play-dirty" onclick="return TrackClick('http%3A%2F%2Fwww.coloradopols.com%2Fdiary%2F11851%2Fshocker-attack-groups-play-dirty','http%3A%2F%2Fwww.coloradopols.com%2Fdiary%2F11851%2Fshocker-attack-groups-play-dirty')" rel="nofollow">http://www.coloradopols.com/diary/11851/shocker-attack-groups-play-dirty</a></p>
<p>FYI, no, I&#8217;m not &#8220;shocked, shocked&#8221; by the TFL-type activity. I&#8217;m just sick of it.</p>
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